tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post1744683932354758009..comments2023-12-11T09:00:24.299-05:00Comments on Until the Snow Ends: Dammit, TylerColin Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-38066808265823964942009-04-26T20:44:00.000-04:002009-04-26T20:44:00.000-04:00Colin-if the guy who wrote that article is the sam...Colin-if the guy who wrote that article is the same Stuart Stevens I'm thinking of, he's on the board of NENSA.Luke Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17215899775567698921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-59976999525135807052009-04-25T12:35:00.000-04:002009-04-25T12:35:00.000-04:00One of the flaws in the very last comment is that ...One of the flaws in the very last comment is that one would think doping is an adder on top of a baseline. Two guys who start with different physical attributes are unlikely to get to the same place on the same program. For that matter, I doubt everyone's bodies processes the juice in the same way. Now if the really successful programs had really good pharmacists then they were able to figure trackrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16881622234411422812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-47928049795608768302009-04-24T17:05:00.000-04:002009-04-24T17:05:00.000-04:00Look at it this way: they left Postal, they got ca...Look at it this way: they left Postal, they got caught. Nobody on Postal ever got caught. The Postal guy always won the Tour. So:<br /><br />a) They didn't know the alleged program well enough to duplicate it without getting caught.<br /><br />b) The programs they got caught using weren't effective enough for them to beat the Postal rider.<br /><br />This leads me to conclude that they were not solobreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746976531739827476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-89503960928760131242009-04-24T16:24:00.000-04:002009-04-24T16:24:00.000-04:00If there was a systematic program, they weren't al...<I>If there was a systematic program, they weren't all on it. </I>What makes you say that? Hamilton, Heras, Landis... all busted after leaving Postal. Andreu admitted to using as well. <br /><br />Anyway, my original point is that one of the reasons he may not be able to write a tell-all book (at least not an interesting one) is because it would implicate Lance. <B>Maybe</B> he doesn't have Colin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-37891039269117702672009-04-24T16:05:00.000-04:002009-04-24T16:05:00.000-04:00Honestly I don't follow what shows up in the media...Honestly I don't follow what shows up in the media very closely. But in the civil trial against Armstrong, for example, the judge merely ruled that the insurer was legally bound to pay Armstrong the bonus, yet Armstrong was able to successfully spin the story into him being exonerated of the doping claims. That was not the case at all.<br /><br />I honestly don't think there are too many people solobreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746976531739827476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-55072565910409047852009-04-24T15:35:00.000-04:002009-04-24T15:35:00.000-04:00Solo, I still disagree. Lemond isn't an insider. ...Solo, I still disagree. Lemond isn't an insider. Andreu has never written anything even resembling a full expose on US Postal and systematic doping. If I recall, he has only admitted to taking EPO personally because he was feeling pressure about his own tour performance. It's not hard to reconcile his story with the concept that "Lance is clean."<br /><br />If someone from the inside has Colin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-52652784095979829062009-04-24T15:22:00.000-04:002009-04-24T15:22:00.000-04:00We actually rode 6 gaps with that guy last year. I...We actually rode 6 gaps with that guy last year. I did not talk to him though. HGH sounds good on the eyesight restoration value alone!solobreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746976531739827476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-686130179190906462009-04-24T14:47:00.000-04:002009-04-24T14:47:00.000-04:00solo, Dope is pretty potent. A few years ago, Outs...solo, Dope is pretty potent. A few years ago, Outside magazine had someone (an amature cyclist, coincidentally) go on a doping program, and write about the effects/results...<br /><br />http://outside.away.com/outside/bodywork/200311/200311_drug_test_1.htmlkevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06282484169736982264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-23531978342513688012009-04-24T13:44:00.000-04:002009-04-24T13:44:00.000-04:00Tyler would have no proof either. It's his word. S...Tyler would have no proof either. It's his word. Same as Lemond and Andreau.<br /><br />In this country people don't care. Nobody's torn those W stickers off the bumpers of their trucks. Baseball and football are as big as ever.<br /><br />I try not to confuse the crap I see in the media with facts too. I generally leave that to others. You sucked me in here...solobreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746976531739827476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-63406345118410350822009-04-24T13:34:00.000-04:002009-04-24T13:34:00.000-04:00Are you kidding me, solo?
It's one thing for La...Are you kidding me, solo? <br /><br />It's one thing for Lance to shrug off doping accusations from crazy Frenchmen and Greg Lemond, who don't have any real proof.<br /><br />You're telling me that Tyler could write a book detailing a systematic doping program run at US Postal, complete with all the details and Lance-implication you'd expect from someone on the inside, and wouldn't be a big dealColin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-52523777243688205912009-04-24T13:27:00.000-04:002009-04-24T13:27:00.000-04:00People believe what they want to believe. Lemond g...People believe what they want to believe. Lemond gets treated like a jealous nut. He's friggin' loaded, nearly as wealthy as Armstrong. He has nothing at all to gain, yet nobody takes him seriously. Someone like Hamilton, with zero credibility, and a need for book sales cash? The only people who would pay attention are the choir he'd be preaching to.<br /><br />My point is the dopers getting awaysolobreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746976531739827476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-76331234076778201622009-04-24T13:12:00.000-04:002009-04-24T13:12:00.000-04:00Writing a book wouldn't change anything, but I'd s...Writing a book wouldn't change anything, but I'd still pay a fair chunk of change for an honest account the culture inside of the pro peloton in 2003.<br /><br />It would still take huge balls to out Lance. That's the real reason it'll never happen.Colin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-78682736502485176622009-04-24T13:05:00.000-04:002009-04-24T13:05:00.000-04:00It's not that he wanted to get caught, he just did...It's not that he wanted to get caught, he just didn't care if he did. There is no point in writing a book either. Everyone already knows that doping was institutional. There have been few changes in team management, so even if the sport has cleaned up considerably, all the perpetrators remain in place.<br /><br />The problem with zero tolerance is you remove all incentive for anyone to come cleansolobreakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746976531739827476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-39600867888608894662009-04-24T00:35:00.000-04:002009-04-24T00:35:00.000-04:00If Tyler would only end this saga with some kind o...If Tyler would only end this saga with some kind of feel good redemption, we could expect to get a pretty good made for tv movie with lots of bicycles out of this. Tyler's life ought to be good for an after school special at least. <br /><br />I can almost write it myself - Young man works really hard to acheive his dream, young man acheives dream then screws it up by constantly crashing in all startfinishpaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13914620679550205808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-34174360827666678172009-04-23T12:38:00.000-04:002009-04-23T12:38:00.000-04:00"So what would you do?"write a book like Paul K......<I>"So what would you do?"</I>write a book like Paul K...gewillihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17245908398787098575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-32184456732236210202009-04-23T11:59:00.000-04:002009-04-23T11:59:00.000-04:00I just feel bad about every aspect of this. Have ...I just feel bad about every aspect of this. Have a soft spot in my heart for Tyler -- saw him race & win up Mt. Washington, met his parents and brother, rooted for him many times at the Tour de France agonizing over his broken collarbone and ground down teeth due to the pain. What a mess. Oh, Tyler. Sigh.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10159140154457062576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-54816683312556182632009-04-23T10:38:00.000-04:002009-04-23T10:38:00.000-04:00I've thought about Hamilton’s situation for awhile...I've thought about Hamilton’s situation for awhile and it doesn't make any sense, unless he wanted to get out of pro cycling for good. <br /><br />I'm sure he got tested often, so knowingly taking a banned substance was literally career suicide. Sure, depression is no joke, but there is no shortage of drugs aimed at controlling it, and the majority of them probably don't contain banned substanceskevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06282484169736982264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-20700974196957841872009-04-23T08:56:00.000-04:002009-04-23T08:56:00.000-04:00Where there is sport, there is cheating. It has a...Where there is sport, there is cheating. It has always been that way. <br />Think about how many jackasses attack on the wrong side of the yellow line in cat 3 and 4 road races, sometimes to form the winning break. Gamache Cyclery pulls this in every race and in every category. Why, because it works and you don't get caught most of the time. <br />People dope because it works and you don't RMMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586927082756267932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-34763952837565523782009-04-22T23:19:00.000-04:002009-04-22T23:19:00.000-04:00cycling has never been a clean sport. The tour wa...cycling has never been a clean sport. The tour was initially only finished with a hefty dose booze and even ether in order to the dull the pain on 400km sections.<br /><br />I read an article two summers ago in the times that quoted Fausto Copp, who rode to yellow in 1949 and 1952, on his response to being asked if he had ever used amphetamines in the tour:<br /><br />“Only when necessary,” he Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14114091410654700232noreply@blogger.com