tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post3006941204124252266..comments2023-12-11T09:00:24.299-05:00Comments on Until the Snow Ends: How We Went DownColin Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-74922793460136724112009-11-16T19:54:30.845-05:002009-11-16T19:54:30.845-05:00Rickey:
I agree with you entirely. Risk is part ...Rickey:<br /><br />I agree with you entirely. Risk is part of the sport. I ride hard and crash plenty. And I have no problem with it. <br /><br />You must have misunderstood my previous comments or allowed Adam's comments to color what I wrote. <br /><br />I don't want risk removed, but I also don't want risk added. <br /><br />There were many problems with the start of the raceRMMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586927082756267932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-36546314256674393192009-11-14T13:39:15.767-05:002009-11-14T13:39:15.767-05:00Hey RMM, I hate to sound like I am calling you out...Hey RMM, I hate to sound like I am calling you out because I don't know you personally, but your post struck a cord. There is no way to make bike racing perfectly safe. Removing as many natural hazards as possible is a bs cop-out. There were no spike pits, land mines, or moats with alligators on the course. This is the same reason why mountain bike races have turned into dirt road races.Rickey Visinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904833297450876243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-92196845382364705722009-11-13T09:42:54.660-05:002009-11-13T09:42:54.660-05:00Throw a bone ($200) to a pack of hungry wolves (bi...Throw a bone ($200) to a pack of hungry wolves (bikers) in a cage (starting fence) and there's going to be some biting (crashing).Wheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04457390722675522053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-70700726573672539732009-11-11T14:27:58.265-05:002009-11-11T14:27:58.265-05:00If this becomes about rolled tubulars in 'cros...If this becomes about rolled tubulars in 'cross you should actually talk to Adam or myself about how to glue tubulars. If your tubular is coming off after a bunny hop, even landing a little sketch, it wasn't on there well enough anyways. <br /><br />This is a repost by SICX of what I posted on the <a href="http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=12983926123&topic=6153" rel="nofollow">Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222194908772490282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-89022121871559696362009-11-11T12:08:32.782-05:002009-11-11T12:08:32.782-05:00I think you're missing my point.
What I'm...I think you're missing my point.<br /><br />What I'm saying is, do you think any of you really care about his more than I do, or are thinking/talking about it more than I am with my own staff?<br /><br />What I'm saying is, I got it. Move on. People are now offering input just to feel heard, not because they have anything new or interesting to add to the conversation.<br /><br />I'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-69829971468313803132009-11-11T12:03:15.400-05:002009-11-11T12:03:15.400-05:00Adam,
While I appreciate the humor and wittiness...Adam, <br /><br />While I appreciate the humor and wittiness of your last comment, it fails to address the issue at hand: the responsibility of organizers to route a course to minimize the danger imposed by natural obstacles. Courses should be made challenging while balancing the need to maintain an acceptable level of rider safety. <br /><br />If a rider is making sketchy moves in a race, youRMMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586927082756267932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-28222849584417160182009-11-11T11:53:55.688-05:002009-11-11T11:53:55.688-05:00Albeit brief, here's an analysis of the crash ...Albeit brief, here's an analysis of the crash on day 1 of NoHo.<br /><br /><a href="http://eightpins.blogspot.com/2009/11/analysis-of-crash-at-csi-northampton-ma.html" rel="nofollow">http://eightpins.blogspot.com/2009/11/analysis-of-crash-at-csi-northampton-ma.html<br /></a>Eight Pinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08388164307964519289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-39566360105849283012009-11-11T11:45:57.094-05:002009-11-11T11:45:57.094-05:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GEbWQe_SKI&fea...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GEbWQe_SKI&feature=channel<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfrYynjB384<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odHZDbe3MAY<br /><br />bikes are hardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-57336420186795235992009-11-10T22:20:44.179-05:002009-11-10T22:20:44.179-05:00Ricky's comment reminds me... At Beacon, the f...Ricky's comment reminds me... At Beacon, the front group split because the Swiss kid blew a turn, went into the sand, over corrected, and t-boned Jerome Townsend. All hell broke loose, and that's how Weighall and Broderick got clear. The chase group got organized and we were chasing ok, and eventually Scherz made it back to us. He really started driving it and we were making good time, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-80863945983597986122009-11-10T21:38:27.602-05:002009-11-10T21:38:27.602-05:00I just need to chime in on the shit happens. I ca...I just need to chime in on the shit happens. I can say I am pretty sure I was the first guy on the deck on Sunday. Yes, I was that guy, I can admit it. However, I know Dylan wasn't trying to take me out and I was trying to take anyone else out, but when you have 50+ riders fighting for a finite space, shit happens. He got bounced around, I got bounced around, we crossed wheels and I have Rickey Visinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904833297450876243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-38027633908410100612009-11-10T19:49:12.214-05:002009-11-10T19:49:12.214-05:00Adam, I gotta admit... when I was looking through ...Adam, I gotta admit... when I was looking through the race photos one of the first reactions I had was "Myerson got frickin podium girls?! How awesome is that?"trackrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16881622234411422812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-29329172664458029822009-11-10T17:09:51.920-05:002009-11-10T17:09:51.920-05:00good points at the end here. I will add that ever...good points at the end here. I will add that every year I have done Noho, I remember people (in Masters) telling each other not to be stupid cause the first corner is dicey. I never saw an incident at a start in any race I was in.<br /><br />Isn't that funny. Its impossible to predict human reactions accurately.G-ridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15706450850903468425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-72633121846232778472009-11-10T15:39:56.769-05:002009-11-10T15:39:56.769-05:00Adam: if i had video footage of your podium girls...Adam: if i had video footage of your podium girls making out with juniors, I would have done a frame-by-frame deconstruction of that as well.Colin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-13701232985934938762009-11-10T15:35:48.537-05:002009-11-10T15:35:48.537-05:00There's something about dying that makes peopl...There's something about dying that makes people believe in God, too.<br /><br />I like both Erik and Brian's comments. Similar to racing in the rain, people have a certain amount of "oh, this is sketchy, we should be careful."<br /><br />But I also think there are too many people who think what happens in the first minute is as important as what happens in the next 59.<br /><br Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-487203024435270742009-11-10T15:29:32.065-05:002009-11-10T15:29:32.065-05:00From a bike handling perspective, a slight left on...<i>From a bike handling perspective, a slight left onto grass is safer than a sharp right onto gravel.</i><br /><br />Similar to Brian's comment, maybe this is part of the problem:<br /><br />Last year's start: Everyone knew that the first turn was sketchy so it's possible folks approached the start sprint with a hint of caution.<br /><br />This year's start: slight left onto Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-30400717274890944502009-11-10T15:15:46.770-05:002009-11-10T15:15:46.770-05:00Seems to me that old start had one good attribute-...Seems to me that old start had one good attribute-- it was sketchy enough that people would just accept it and ride more cautiously. <br /><br />Also, being a non-confrontational but pseudo-competitive person, the other issue is first-lap all stars. If you're not consistently getting UCI points (or top 20, etc) realize this: you have 60 minutes to ride...don't think a going crazy to getBrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00757594392340332855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-33821797566185079232009-11-10T14:29:55.971-05:002009-11-10T14:29:55.971-05:00I would like to clarify that I do not want to take...I would like to clarify that I do not want to take Myerson and Co. to task. They made a change to the course that seemed like a good idea before they did it. <br /><br />One of the great things about Adam is his willingness to listen to differing opinions and to take those opinions seriously. <br /><br />There is something about the start that SEEMS to make crashes more likely.RMMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02586927082756267932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-13671264095301238392009-11-10T14:06:43.302-05:002009-11-10T14:06:43.302-05:00Oh, did Bradley roll a tubular also? The guy who ...Oh, did Bradley roll a tubular also? The guy who had a tubie completely off the rim was Mannion (blue), but you're right, Bradley went down pretty fast, maybe he rolled one as well. In which case... wtf guys.Colin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-14719913036213990932009-11-10T14:01:45.804-05:002009-11-10T14:01:45.804-05:00Colin - from what I can see in the Saturday video ...Colin - from what I can see in the Saturday video (can't see Dillon anywhere) is Bradley landing from a little curb-hop and going straight down (due to his rolled tubular) which takes Gavin down with him then comes Brodrick and McNicholas. just what I see in the video... maybe you could deconstruct that one frame by frame too :D - AnonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-65083723709637236822009-11-10T12:30:10.314-05:002009-11-10T12:30:10.314-05:00For what it's worth, I talked with one of the ...For what it's worth, I talked with one of the Cat 3 women who got crashed out onto her face at the bottom of the 3/4 pileup. She concurs with Adam that the crash was due to another rider's error, and thinks that this year's NoHo start was much safer than in previous years. From a bike handling perspective, a slight left onto grass is safer than a sharp right onto gravel.Colin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-53798704305404332352009-11-10T12:13:35.319-05:002009-11-10T12:13:35.319-05:00Anon: Saturday's crash was, IMO:
1) Dillon b...Anon: Saturday's crash was, IMO:<br /><br />1) Dillon breaks chain, riders start going around him<br />2) Bradley goes around right before the curb and bunny hops diagonally/awkwardly<br />3) Bradley and Mannion come together and shit is fucked<br />4) Mannion's tubular comes off because he's riding it sideways.<br /><br />Granted that tubulars came 100% off (never a good sign) but Colin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-51033637675768168082009-11-10T12:10:32.185-05:002009-11-10T12:10:32.185-05:00Anon, I thought Saturday's crash was caused by...Anon, I thought Saturday's crash was caused by a rolled tubular? - Anon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-20936447590504776082009-11-10T12:09:51.411-05:002009-11-10T12:09:51.411-05:00Saturday's crash was also rider mistakes. Josh...Saturday's crash was also rider mistakes. Josh Dillon broke his chain about 50 meters into the race, sat down and rode in a straight line. He wasn't even still in the group when the big crash happened at the curb. <br /><br />And let me be clear just because: you can design starts any way you want and people will make mistakes and fall off their bikes. It's a race. So I don't Nathaniel Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02236557402855582309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-27366510480818717642009-11-10T11:31:08.888-05:002009-11-10T11:31:08.888-05:00but you can design a start where these inevitable ...<i>but you can design a start where these inevitable mishaps don't take out half the field.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure you can, actually. Look at the day 1 crash, Bradley and Mannion went down on the inside of the first turn and the carnage spilled outward to the far tape. Even if the tape wasn't there, everyone would still have been riding on the inside because it's the Colin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289923497258059725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8765491466852689692.post-80179530349458635202009-11-10T11:26:29.633-05:002009-11-10T11:26:29.633-05:00The cat 3/4 women's crash on Sunday was from a...The cat 3/4 women's crash on Sunday was from a rider missing her pedal and turning across the lane. Again, completely unrelated to the fence or the start set up. This is my point. There is very little evidence here for anything but a collection of coincidences. That doesn't mean we won't evaluate ways to make the start better. We have ALWAYS done that. But you're looking for an Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com