Wednesday, November 28, 2007


I had nothing to do with this but, wow, that's pretty intense.

Amazing what people will do when they're anonymous.


CTodd 11/28/2007 9:35 AM  

"Whoa." is right.

gewilli 11/28/2007 9:42 AM  

dat funny...

so much for "auto upgrade"

maybe diane f should be sent an "anonymous" link to that...

Jordan 11/28/2007 11:40 AM  

pure class. I love it.

Thom P. 11/28/2007 12:32 PM  

That's the most technical form of trash talking I have ever witnessed.

josh 11/28/2007 12:49 PM  

thats taking things to a new level.

funny as heck

solobreak 11/28/2007 3:47 PM  

Far more imaginative, creative, and entertaining than simply whining about it over on Ge's blog.

BTW, I'll buy you a 12 pack of whatever you want if Willi's name mysteriously gets left off the published results at Wrentham...

CCC 11/28/2007 3:55 PM  

Holy shit. Mind-blowing.

Colin R 11/28/2007 3:56 PM  

Yeah Cort, aren't you glad no one made an ebay auction about your upgrade points? :)

CCC 11/28/2007 4:03 PM  

Yeah, real relieved. ;)

It would have read "Upgrade points for wannabe CX'er who only excels at grass crits and taking CTodd down in corners."

JB 11/28/2007 7:50 PM  

Not as anonymous as you may think - it took me < 5 min to figure out who this was. I may go to Wrentham after all to watch :-)

Colin R 11/28/2007 7:52 PM  

Oh really JB? Care to drop me an email about it (colin.reuter@gmail)?

I have a guess based on the seller's location, but it's only a guess.

gewilli 11/29/2007 9:57 AM  


i haven't taken that much abuse since cylorazzi replied to my post on 'the list'


G-ride 11/29/2007 3:10 PM  

I would love a 12 pack. I think I might make a few "calls" to some officials I know.

We can make this happen.


gewilli 11/29/2007 4:22 PM  

awe great... maybe you'll get the new J-hole moniker - pint glass or not

BTW... colin...

maybe you can clarify your point thing...

esp regarding the 40 needed to go from 3-2 not to mention the bumped up field from 20-30...

can't ever upgrade to a 1 from a 2/3 race... so those 2's can keep sandbagging to their heart's content unless someone tells em to start racing in the elites...

2-1 needs 40 points in races that are 60 min long...

but then everyone is already well versed in those rules from feeling bad about calling someone a dirty sandbagger only to find that they aren't...

Colin R 11/29/2007 4:30 PM  

"maybe you can clarify your point thing"

wtf? my point thing? if you mean crossresults, I follow the nebra points that are linked from the racer page as well as I can. Field limits are enforced correctly. Time limits are not, because most races don't list times.

anyway, to pretend that the cx upgrade rules are well defined is pure ignorance. We all know that Diane applies common sense over the strict letter of the rules any day, as she should. likewise, these guys (or at least awerbuch and peterson) should move up, regardless of what technicality might make it "legal" for them to keep racing 2/3 or 3/4.

gewilli 11/29/2007 4:32 PM  

they are well defined...

easy to apply?


open to wiggle room?


maybe i don't see as many gray areas as you do...


gewilli 11/29/2007 4:35 PM  

The real cyclocross sandbagger moniker should only be applied to those on the podium of the 'B' race at Nationals.

it just bike racing...

(i guess i am making a strong case to some how be left off the results, assuming i even finish, much less make to the start)

Colin R 11/29/2007 4:39 PM  

You're making a strong case for why most people use full sentences when they communicate.

Sure, they're defined, they're also completely impossible to apply. Not until racer categories are listed on results can we even begin to actually do upgrades by the book.

Until we can do them by the book, then the whole thing is a crapshoot. The upgrade rules I speak of not whatever arbitrary and impossible shit USA cycling prints up -- I'm talking about whatever Ms Fortini uses in her head when deciding whether to allow an upgrade.

gewilli 11/29/2007 4:47 PM  


full sentences good

gewilli write bad

make people and himself confused

complete sentences make clear

poetic justice and fahked up writing do two things
#1 work to understand
#2 ignore

#2 is usually the better option

i be way too much of an I D ten T lately...

solobreak 11/29/2007 5:28 PM  

Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong, but as of last year anyway, a Cat 2 could take out a UCI license and race elites. Not sure if that is still the case. If this is still so, unless you plan to go straight from 3/4 to the elites, a 3 may as well just race the 2/3, as until you start placing in that one, you probably aren't ready for the elite anyway. And you can still do a 3/4 so long as you stay a 3. As of right now, so long as you don't want to race elite, you may as well be a 3. There's no advantage to upgrading. Of course, everything is subject to change. Nothing says the feds couldn't start encouraging 3 only races, or force everyone who is a 2 to take out a UCI license. Maybe not likely, but I never thought we'd see a separate cross category on our license either.

Colin R 11/29/2007 5:30 PM  

UCI races are open, I believe. You can ride if you have the license.

My girlfriend is a Cat 3 and she has a UCI license, and rides elites.

megA 11/29/2007 6:52 PM  

rules for the ladies are different for rules for the menz.

cat 3 lady-types can race elites at nationals, but not cat 3 boyz

gewilli 11/30/2007 12:20 PM  

back to my category beef...

if the damn promoters would get their collective asses together - or maybe USAC - and race categories it'd be helpful and positive.

in the mens side have:

no 2/3 or 3/4 races...

dats the only way to clear up the sandbagging bitching and all that...

ya race 4 until you get enough points... you race 3 until you show that you are fast enough to go to 2...

but then like all shit i utter on this subject - just another dumbass idea in incomplete sentences....

Colin R 11/30/2007 12:43 PM  

I agree.

I don't like 3/4 races. If you're a 4 racing 3/4 instead of 4, just win a few 4 races and upgrade. If you're racing it as your second race, well, tough.

Same for 1/2/3.

I understand the need for 2/3 at Verge so that not every cat 2 has to buy a UCI license, plus it makes for a good killer B field.

But I HATE 3/4.

Anonymous 11/30/2007 6:04 PM  

Ctodds new video and i bet that you will find that its his ebay auction!

Colin R 11/30/2007 6:11 PM  

um... screencapping an ebay page doesn't really prove that it's yours....

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